Summer Consultation 2024
From 2nd– 3rd July, our Sounding Board met virtually via Zoom to support in the induction of the 2024 cohort and take part in the Summer Consultation.
On day one, our new cohort for 2024 were introduced to existing members of the Sounding Board and taken through some of the basics of genomics and the GPW programme, including our communications approach and future plans.
On the following day, new members took part in their first consultation alongside the existing Sounding Board cohort, and were consulted on the following topics:
- Revolutionising Genetic Testing in Leukaemia – Sophie Shaw, AWMGS
- GPW Workforce Plan for Genomics in Wales- An update from Nicola Taverner, HEIW
- Development of the GPW Sounding Board Alumni Network – Alice Frenken, GPW
Consultation 1 – Using Long Read Sequencing to Revolutionise Genetic Testing in Leukaemia
Session Lead: Sophie Shaw, Bioinformatician (All Wales Medical Genomics Service [AWMGS])
This consultation focussed specifically on testing acute myeloid leukaemia (AML) and how the introduction of new technologies to the NHS could revolutionise this testing for patient benefit.
Members were split into break out groups where they provided answers to the following questions:
Breakout Group 1: Would you rather the new faster test which might have a higher chance of missing a genetic change, or the old test which means results will be provided more slowly?
- Patients would want to have an understanding what the margin of error would be for the newer vs older tests in order to make the best, informed, decision.
- Reducing excess travel and time costs to the patient would be a key advantage to the new test as the patient would have to make fewer journeys to give samples.
- Accuracy is more important than speed, whilst it was discussed how quickly the turnaround time would be for the new test (3 calendar days) some felt that even this was too long to wait given the aggressiveness of cancers of this type.
Breakout Group 2: New testing detects all genetic changes in a single test, but it costs more. Some tests are faster, but some are slower. Would you rather have the new test or old test?
- Depending on the turnaround times, some members of this group felt that they would want both tests to ensure they get the most accurate picture.
- Some members of this group felt relatively relaxed about having multiple blood samples and taking the current nine tests, whereas others would prefer to have just one test which provides an overview of all genetic data.
- From a patient perspective some felt that the NHS cost savings would have less of an impact, with the potential benefits (e.g. faster diagnoses, reduced waiting times, etc.) to their family member/loved one being seeing as a more significant driver for wanting the newer test.
- Some wanted to see greater education about the newer test to be provided to GPs and the referring clinicians.
Breakout Group 3: New testing detects “additional findings” i.e. actionable genetic changes with a biological impact unrelated to leukaemia. For example, BRCA variation. Would you want to know?
- Additional findings should only be disclosed by a competent, trained professional, such as a Genetic Counsellor
- Whilst many of you indicated you would want to know any additional findings, providing they are actionable in a clinical setting, you cautioned against a blanket approach as not everyone in wider families would want to know. There would need to be a way of capturing individual preferences prior to testing whilst being clear on what is clinically actionable.
- The nuances and sensitivities involved in how information should be shared also needs to be taken into consideration as the patient and/or their families are likely to already be under a lot of stress at initial point of testing, but may be open to it in future.
Breakout Group 4: New testing detects “variants of unknown significance”. These are real changes but their role in leukaemia is unclear. Would you want to know?
- This group felt that the answer to this would depend on how this would affect the patient’s life. It was felt that it would be difficult to answer definitively, with some feeling the ‘uncertain’ aspects of these findings could be anxiety inducing.
- Support is critical, with there needing to be a clear pathway to support, including counselling/mental health to support patients.
- Others in the group felt that this may be a case of too much information. With this in mind, the group queried whether disclosing such findings was strictly necessary.
- Suggestion of potentially building in review periods where patients get their initial results and can, at a later point, refer themselves back in for more information.
Cross-cutting themes
- All groups emphasised the importance of obtaining informed consent in order to better inform decisions, both specific to the treatment on hand, and broader including reproductive choices.
- Accuracy was seen as a more important consideration than speed in most cases
- Clear communication is vital to conveying the benefit and efficacy of the test, including an estimated probability of the effectiveness of any follow-on treatment.
- The impact on staff resources/lab workloads would need to be considered, especially given the resource constraints experience within NHS clinical and laboratory environments
- Improved staff education and awareness amongst specialists of the nuances presented by this testing was seen as essential to the successful adoption of this new test.
GPW Workforce Plan for Genomics in Wales
Session Lead: Nicola Taverner, Clinical Lead for Genomics (Health Education and Improvement Wales [HEIW])
Following previous consultations Nicola Taverner returned to give an update as to the progress in developing the workforce development plan, and gather insight from the board regarding on a few key areas, including:
What topics do you think should be covered in these resources that would be useful for healthcare professionals, patients and families?
- Have knowledge of where the patient is travelling from, try to get it all done in one clinic, to limit repeat journeys
- Signposting patients to information resources, including access to alternative resources for digitally excluded
- Create taster modules to convey entry-level information to broader audiences, such as the existing Health Education and Improvement training modules (HEIW funded MsC modules in Genomics – HEIW (nhs.wales). This would help to increase genomics literacy and we could also look into developing a glossary of key terms.
- Workforce outside of genomics needs to more educated and informed about the implications of genetic testing, especially when they are with patients.
- Running myth-busting sessions to tackle common misconceptions around genomics, perhaps alongside increased advertising/media coverage to improve general awareness of genomics across the wider population
What ideas do you have to attract people to these careers?
- Break down the impact of genomics, including any innovations, new technologies, etc. to show it as an exciting and interesting career pathway
- Promoting career progression as something which makes a difference, developing peer-support groups could be invaluable to building networks to support such progression in addition to just producing written materials.
- Develop a clear set of training and career pathways, and promote these using clear communications strategies
- To support this, we would need to break down barriers in participation with some specialists who may feel they are being asked to do additional work, whilst instead focusing on developing transferable skills as opposed to complete retraining.
- Important to also emphasise that some roles can also be fulfilled by those without a scientific background, e.g. Family History Co-ordinators
- Hybrid working options made possible to break down geographic barriers to applying for roles.
- Involving patient and public representatives in education sessions at careers fayres could help to improve perceptions of genomics as having ‘real’ benefit to the lives of patients and the public
Development of GPW Sounding Board Alumni Network
Session Lead: Alice Frenken – Project Manager (GPW Programme Office)
Following a short presentation, we opened the session up for discussion with the following thoughts and ideas being raised:
- In terms of motivation for keeping in touch the following became evident in the discussions
- Maintaining social connections and networks
- Keep up to date with the latest developments around genomics in Wales
- Consider active engagement opportunities to keep alumni members connected
- Investigate how other engagement organisations interact with their former members
- Embed the Alumni Network into structures to utilise as a resource bank, for example, to:
- Support to mentor/guide new members
- Support/ give talks at at events such as Techniquest After Dark, or local education/engagement events
- More specialised involvement in particular areas, depending their interests.
- Facilitate establishment of a forum to enable contact between Alumni members and be on what we want this to achieve. Suggestions on how this could be managed included:
- Setting up an ‘Alumni working group’ to establish what the aims of the network are and how these would link to our strategic outcomes to benefit both GPW and the Sounding Board
- A team member assigned to moderate and be a gateway to the network.
- If using a pre-existing forum such as Facebook or Google these corporate entities would be the data controller, with GPW simply acting as the data handler.
- Alumni members could help to moderate on a daily basis, with only the most serious/challenging breaches being referred to the central programme office
- Private (direct) emailing through sharing of email address would be another secure way of staying in touch. Also suggested setting up a WhatsApp group, although acknowledged not everyone would be comfortable in sharing their phone numbers.
- Some members felt it may be nice to meet as Alumni once a year, but acknowledged that this would be resource intensive.
- Development of a quarterly newsletter to share with the Alumni network (including other audiences as appropriate) to keep the Alumni up to date.